There can be no doubt the sending off of Mane changed the game and whether or not he should have been sent off depends on where you sit. I thought it was harsh and there was no intent or malice. Others think it was right but agree there was no intent or malice. It might have changed the game but I doubt it changed the outcome. Long before the red card our defence had been opened up like a can of beans and it got worse. Whether it would have been as emphatic is irrelevant, we looked hopeless at the back and surely even Jurgen can now see we’ve got a problem? Klavan is nowhere near good enough and TAA showed he has a lot of learning to do about defending. However, citing individuals isn’t right, there were very few who performed and one the sending off occurred we looked clueless.